Lets get back to a little sports (or yes, sprots)
Lets get back to a little less controversial topic so that all of our relationships with one another last just a little longer...
Baseball...
The Mets looked like they were really in trouble there for a sec after getting swept by the Phillies. I still wouldn't say that they are out of the woods yet even though they are 5 games up on the Phils. Although they did get some good news today with El Duque (Who the Yankees should have never let him go) coming through his throwing session pain-free. Carlos Delgado's hip is hurting him which will sideline him for about 10 days, which is particularly bad news since his bat was already slow before the injury and this may rob him of what little bat speed he has left, or at least, his power stroke.
The Yankees wasted a valuable opportunity to make up more ground on the Sawx when they lost 2 of 3 to Tampa. However, they were able to take 2 of 3 from the Mariners to push their lead in the Wild Card race to 3 games. Even though Mike Mussina is big inning on wheels, they should be able to hold off the Mariners for the rest of the season with the awful schedule that the Mariners have the rest of the season. I, personally, am more worried about Detroit making a run at the Yanks the rest of the way than the Mariners. Another one of the Yankee farmhands starts tonight. Ian Kennedy goes to the mound after an impressive first outing (7 innings, 3 runs allowed, 6 strikeouts). The Yankee farm system is legit. And, while noone was watching, they have the best record in NYC (78-62 to 78-61). Not by much, but by all the crap i've had to hear from Mets fans, you'd think they won something.
Football...
Yay! Football is almost here. Giant fans. This season may stink to high heaven for y'all. If they universally loved Eli then I would give them some more hope, but they don't truly believe in him where they can circle the wagons and fight for their leader. He's not a leader. He's a nice kid from down South. He probably makes a mean pulled pork sandwhich (easy Drew), but he's not a leader. Who knows? This may transform him into a leader because he actually showed a little fight after getting son'd....again.
The Jets are a hard team to call this year. Mangini did a great job of coaching the team last year and they made a HUGE pickup in Thomas Jones. It was a robbery. Swapping 2nd round picks to pick up a 1,200 yard rusher? Win for the Jets. However, I really think that the trading of Pete Kendall will really hurt the Jets unless they catch lightning in a bottle with Jacob Bender starting at G. The early reports on Bender have not been glowing though.
Basketball...
Allan Houston. He would actually be a great fit with this Knick team since they need an outside shooter and he was one of the best in the league when he was healthy. Just like his game on the court though, he doesn't know when to pull the trigger off the court (remember when he would disappear during a game for long stretches even though he was the most talented guy on the court?). He's still saying that he's 90%-95% certain that he's coming back? What the hell does that mean? Is he trying to guage the interest in him by saying that in the papers?
Hockey...
Just kidding. If you noticed, the above are all SPORTS. Hockey isn't a real, professional sport. We've established this already. All you Ruff-Buff people find that type of stuff elsewhere.
That's it for now.
19 comments:
It's going to be a nice October in NYC for baseball. I agree with Lou regarding the Yank's farm system. All due respect to ARod but let's just say that this team would not be in the wild card lead if it weren't for Chamberlain, Wang, Cabrera (how about his center field work?), Duncan (although he is 27), and Cano. Plus Ian Kennedy and Phil Hughes have shown positive signs. It's hard to believe that this team was out of the playoff hunt in mid June. In all honesty, though, you have to expect a team with a $200 million+ payroll to be in the playoffs.
The Mets are in good shape. They've had as many injuries as just about any team in the majors yet still hold the NL's best record, are in the divisional lead and are beginning to get healthy. The Delgado injury hurts, especially since he was beginning to hit again but I prefer that he be fully healthy going into the playoffs. Lou, he was getting his bat speed back and turning on that inside fastball. I think his complications this season are from the wrist surgery he had in the offseason, which is why he kept getting jammed on those inside pitches. It's too bad he's going to miss 10 games since I think he could've reached 100 RBIs and 30 HRs. I'll take that as a bad season from Delgado. David Wright's name should be considered when discussing NL MVPs. Speaking of NL MVPs, I think a pitcher may get it this year. Maybe Brandon Webb or Jake Peavy?
I wouldn't want Allan Houston on the Knicks. Not because he can't help us but because we're already log-jammed at the guard spot. I want to continue to develop our young players. Plus, Houston's defense will be non-existent. That's a bad combination when you consider that we don't have shot-blocking big men or good team defense. He'll be better on a team like Miami, Boston or Phoenix.
I like the Jets' roster but I don't see a big play guy on it. Yes, Thomas Jones was a big pick-up (I had him on my fantasy team last year) but I'm not sure I consider him a gamebreaker, especially with the loss of Kendall and that young, albeit talented, offensive line. They're not sneeking up on anyone this year either. You have to think that Buffalo, New England and Miami are going to be better teams too. Let's see what rabbit Mangini pulls out this year.
The Giants are in trouble, I think. Losing Tiki is a big deal given everything he did for that offense. I agree with you, Lou, about Eli. The kid looks shell-shocked half the time and it doesn't seem like his team believes in him. Their defense, especially that line, is aging too. Still, they have enough offensive talent to make noise but it boils down to Eli and their running game. Both are huge question marks.
Yankees:
I'm impressed with the way they battled back and given the schedules for competitors, and them, practically guaranteed themselves the wild card-absent any major injuries they should make it through to meet Boston in October. The weekend they play Boston in September, however, may prove to be a turning point in momentum if they get swept and Detroit does well against a Twins team that has nothing to play for anymore. The Yankees have the easiest September (that's what 200 mil gets you-post season ready in April--I'm right there with you Is) of the two and will probably prevail.
I don't think the WS is in their future this year though. They have a young relief squad that still needs some maturing for post-season play. Clemen's greatest asset to the Yank's right now is not his arm, it's his mentoring capacity. If he can get these kids through the first round unscathed their chances may improve against Boston but the Sawx are really dominating everyone right now and I don't see Wang, Pettite and Clemens going into the 7th or 8th against them during post-season. Let's be ready for some dissapointment in the late innings or an overworked Mariano going into the ALCS.
Mets:
They are in first. They are going strong offensively. They are getting contributions from most of their players but, the playoffs are about pitching and if something doesn't get done about that angina inducing bullpen they won't even make it to the NLCS. Even with the recent blown games the stats speak to a good pen. However, against the possible pitchers we will face, one run will make a difference in many of the games. The relief has to tighten up. Remember last year's blown save by Wagner in game 2 against St. Louis and the fact two of the other losses came with less than 2 runs difference-especially that game 7 heartbreaker:
[From Yahoo.com]A .216 hitter with only six home runs during the regular season, Molina drove the first pitch he saw from reliever Aaron Heilman into New York's bullpen for a 3-1 lead in the ninth.
"I just left it up," Heilman said. "I was just trying to throw it down and away. Instead it stayed right over the middle of the plate."
Mistakes like that have been too common for this team. If the offense goes in healthy and Pedro is still in the rotation it will give us a psychological edge that won't be stopped until we meet Boston in the Big Game.
Knicks:
http://www.jdandthestraightshot.com./index.jsp
Footbal:
I rooting for New Orleans this year.
The Jets-I agree with Is but I think there is room for improvement. Mangini can make this team a contender if they focus on short passing touchdowns. They have an underused Tight End who is probably more capable of setting up the TD than Jones is. Pennington just doesn't put in enough TDs after padding Coles number with big drives-neither does Jones.
I think the defense will have to be more agressive this year. Force more turnovers and get the ball in Pennington's hands as much as possible.
The Giants-I think this team has a lot of talent but it does lack a cohesiveness present in most playoff worthy teams. I saw with my own eyes Eli's lack of leadership both during and before and after the game against the Saints last year. It was ackward to say the least. While Shockey,Strahan and Tiki shook folks hands Eli ran into the locker room like he had to punch out. I've said all along he's not first string material, he has skills but not the zeal necessary to make things happen. Brady, Vick, Peyton all get on the field with ATTITUDE-Eli gets on with a let's see what happens attitude.
They should give Anthony Wright a shot, cuz Lorenzon looks like another farm-boy doofus. Smaller, lighter, probably quicker in the pocket. It might be what Shockey, Toomer and Buress need to get more scoring opportunities-Eli simply gives up on too many plays.
Their Special Team has a lot of talent too. I really don't know why this team didn't make the playoffs last year. Especially given that Tiki was on. Eli should really check himself on his reply to Tiki's comments because Tiki was playing better than he was for the entire season despite the retirement talk and that would presumably have affected Tiki more than him.
Hockey: Haha, that's funny. Add soccer instead-I find it increasingly interesting and the fans are much more interesting.
Hockey: http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/chachi555/LeafBlower.jpg or
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/pinknhljerseys.jpg
Vs.
Soccer: http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/pgStory?contentId=5676192
I love hockey, and maybe someday you will understand that.
For now I think baseball is like watching grass grow, but I am atleast open to the notion that it could be less boring if there was a team I gave a damn about. It makes sense to have 2 baseball games in one day, with only one game per day and less then 100 per year, there would not be enough stats to even bother keeping track of!
There is no denying the Yankees' payroll. But Met fans think that they dont have a big payroll? Its over $120M. Tell Johan Santana the Mets don't have a big payroll. Delgado was not going to get 30 HR's and 100 RBI. He had a waaaay outside shot at it. Unless you thought his game was all of a sudden going to pick up at the end. He played his last game on Sept. 5th with a .255 average, a .329 OBP and 80 runs driven in. He wasn't doing 30 and 100 Is. He would have had to pick his game up considerably. His bat is slow. Maybe its from an injury, or maybe he's just lost his batspeed. We won't know till next year when he's another year older.
Gary, we know you love Hackey. One day other people will too. Maybe you can reruit all the fans from NASCAR to love it so. BTW, NASCAR is not a sport either, but they have more fans than Hokcey. Your math with the whole baseball (?) thing you worte, is, I don' know. Its a head scratcher.
As for Soccer, or Futbol, it is an actual sport with the most fans worldwide. This country just can't get with it. Don't include it in the same sentence as Hackney.
Oh yeah, I forgot. Melky is a Top 10-12 CF in all of baseball when you consider what he brings to the table in offense and defense. Think about who you would put above him, then call me crazy or stupid or whatever.
I don't like Hockey at all. I just don't. But we can't say it's not a sport. I feel like a sport is an activity that requires aspects of athleticism. Hockey does take a lot of skill and athleticism to play. Its not like golf or NASCAR. I know none of us, save Gary, could really talk about hockey, but you don't want to alienate any potential blog subscribers.
Also, if we are going to talk sports, we should at least sometimes, include other sports in the mix. Tennis, Soccer, female beach volleyball (have you ever seen telemundo's coverage of the summer olympic women's volleyball? The angles they use give the coverage a nice porn-like quality usually reserved for classic late-night Skinemax. And who could resist the brazillian team's g-string uniforms. They even wear them when playing basketball).
So Lou, you mean to say $80 MILLION is not a big difference. If the Mets win it all this year maybe Johan could tell you in a Mets uniform what a difference 80 mil makes.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2965174
If I can't bash Hackney from time to time, its hard for the day to go by as well as Volleyball. Telemundo is akin to watching a Snoop Dogg video. Skin, skin and more skin. With a little sexual innuendo to boot.
As for other sports, I like to watch Tennis from time to time. And while you are right that Hukey does require athleticism, don't people only get into that sport after they've realized they're no good at Pro tobogganing, Basketball, Football, Soccer (Futbol), Semi-Pro Greco-Roman wrestling, Rasslin' and Underwater Basketweaving?
While Skinemax was a boon to my youth and digital manipulating, nowadays, it kinda sucks. Its kind of like drinking non-alcoholic beer. You ask yourself, "Aren't there better things I could be doing with my time?".
Of course not Bushwick E. But to point the finger at the Yankees as a Met fan is akin to saying that you're a "little" pregnant. You either are or you aren't. The Mets are a big market team and they are spending like one. Which is good. Especially for you as a Met fan. However, their payroll will skyrocket once they need to keep the cornerstones of their franchise, namely Reyes and Wright (Shoudl be MVP). And to a lesser extent Heilman and Chavez. If you're lucky, it will cost you a lot of money to retain Maine too. The Yankees payroll skyrocketed once Jeter, Posada, Bernie and Mariano became Arbitration eligible and became free agents. The amount of money the Yankees had to spend to retain that core of players was enormous. When they won the World Series (You guys remember what that is right?) their big free agents were, Wetteland, Cone, Jimmy Key (paid relatively high amount for him, but not huge), Tino and Fielder. Their salaries were certainly comparable to, Shawn Green (11.8M), Delgado (14.5M), Beltran (13.5M), LoDuca (6.6M, comparable to Key), Wagner (10.5M), Glavine (7.5M) and Pedro (14M).
There is NO denying that the Yankees paid high amounts for free agents, please dont turn THAT around Ernesto. However, the Yanks had to pay to keep their own. Just as the Mets one day will and when they do, watch your payroll skyrocket too.
Dammit. Forgot to add Pettite to the list of Yankee farmhands that had to be paid too. While he wasn't kept from walking as a free agent, they Yankees did have to pay him through the nose in arbitration because of his success.
I have always been annoyed at the "payroll" debate. Sure there are teams that cannot pay more to grab players, but why should that be an arguing point when talking about the yankees.
First of all, like Lou said (see, we can agree sometimes), the yankees are not the only team spending a lot of money anymore. The Mets, the Red Sox, San Fran, Atlanta, all come to mind. Also, echoing Lou, Yankee haters for years have accused them of buying players, not giving credit to all the players they have brought up from their farm system. sure they go out and grab some big time old dog to pad their pennant push (i.e. Justice, Conseco, etc.) But the core of their team in the late 90s consisted of those guys that Lou mentioned previously. now, before you all start cracking your knuckles to type actual numbers and illustrate how the yankees are still spending more, save your energy. I know. But that leads me to my next point...
"You play to win the game! HELLO!" - H. Edwards
And with winning comes fans, and with fans come revenue and when you have been winning throughout the last cenury, you tend to build a tremendous amout of fans, revenue, players that want to play for you no matter what, etc... Put that together with one of the biggest markets in the country and you have the yankees. Love them or hate them, you can't deny that they have consistantly been winners.
My third point... money doesn't win. Just ask A-Rod(and the rest of the Yankees, for that matter). The yankees haven't won in a while, despite having the biggest payroll. We are talking about a professional sport, filled with professional athletes.
Baseball is a good example of a team sport, built of individuals. Baseball is unique in that way. Its not like basketball where a player can put the team on his back and win, or football where a receiver can exploit a rookie. Baseball players have to hope their teammate catches that ball, or hits that base hit with RISP. No ONE player can win the game on their own. With the exception of perhaps a walk-off homerun, and even then, they have to hope the pitcher doesn't give up a run in the top of the inning.
On the same token, one player can't WIN the game for a team, but they can certainly LOSE it for them.
But I digress... blame it on the McDonald's Premium Roast and three straight prep periods.
Lou, perhaps we should do a blog post on the topic of what sport is the most athletic. I would think on the average, hockey players would beat out baseball. Just a thought.
Sigh...so much to say that's already been said. A couple of things, though:
Lou, Wright and Reyes have already been locked in long-term. The Mets operated in a way that Cashman and the Yanks rarely do. Minaya acted fast and ended up giving them fair market current value while saving on the likely bigger contracts that were sure to follow once these kids blossomed; and there's no argument that both of them have blossomed. That's just smart, fiscal sense and team management. Again, how about David Wright for NL MVP? Personally, I think Brandon Webb deserves it given what he's playing with in AZ. Trust me, I was there during training camp. This team was not expected to compete for another two years. Nevertheless, Wright is in the conversation.
As for the Yanks, we're not referring to the contracts given to keep guys, Lou and Dre. We're talking about the Roger Clemens, Mike Mussinas, Giambis, Abreus, Damons, Randy Johnsons, Carl Posadas, Sheffields, etc. and that they're simply outbidding for players that often don't fit well in the long-term while sacrificing the short-term development of their players. Granted, they've recently stepped away from that and have begun to play their young guys. I've given them credit for that in my first post. I also shouted out Melky's CF work in that post, Lou. So please don't brand me a Yankee hater. I grew up a Yankee and Met fan and never felt the need to choose between the two. But I've also been vocal about what I think is a problem in the way they've done things over the last few years.
To be clear, the Mets have made some terrible moves over the years too. But I think Minaya has operated more sensibly than Cashman (i.e. George) has when managing. As Ernie points out, there's an $80+ million gap between the Mets' and Yanks' payroll. When you look at the product on the field, you have to conclude that the Mets have been run better these last few years.
I, as you, certainly dont want to revisit this topic Iz. I know I didnt bring up your Yankee hating, you brought it up from past discussions. As I also said, Melky was going to get his 400 plus at-bats this year. Ive been saying it since this time last year. Talent gets the at bats it deserves. Period. At least with a team like the Yankees. And right now Melky is basically a top 10-12 CF in the majors right now.
We also disagree about the contracts situation as it peratins to Reyes and conversely, Jeter, Williams, etc. The Yanks were in about the same position as the Mets are now in 2000. Check it out. It was the Dodgers who had the highest payroll and sucked to high heaven.
We also agree that the Yanks SHOULD have signed their core of guys to long term contracts before they were eligible for free agency. I guess they do it because they want to make sure that the guy doesnt get a career threatening injury before they hit free agency, I dont get it either. That being said though, their payroll did jump right after they all became free agent eligible. Its a fact. They had more home grown talent that were going to get huge contracts from otehr teams.
So, youre going to tell me that the Mets arent doing the SAME exact thing as the Mets in terms of buying free agents??? Theyre operating the same exact way, except that they had the foresight to sign Wright and Reyes to extensions. But thats it. The Pedro signing, Glavine signing, trade for Castillo even though they have a great 2nd base prospect, the signing of Alou and trade for Shawn effing Green even though you have Milledge and Endy Chavez on the team along with the Delgado trade (as was Abreu and Johnson), when they had Mike Jacobs and traded him for a 32 year-old, big money First baseman (Coming off a .269, 32 HR, 99 RBI season) for Jacobs who came up and was hitting really well in the majors (11 HR, 23 RBI and .310 in 100 AB's). It was the type of move that you would have cried foul over if the Yankees did it. Thats the only thing I would point out. When the Yankees traded for Abreu, I remember you hating the move even though it made their lineup that much better. One of your reasons for disliking the trade was because it was "too good". I will never think my team is too good. Sorry. Im not wired that way.
I already mentioned BTW, that I think Wright should be MVP. I dont believe in pitchers getting the MVP unless its kind of a down year for everyday players AND a pitcher is having an incredible season and basically carrying their team. I dont believe starting pitchers usually fall into that category simply becuase they only get on the mound every 5 days. I would give it to a closer before a starter, but thats just me.
Wow, Lou. You just infer a whole bunch of stuff and come to your own conclusions. But we've been down this road before. Again, I'm not referring to the '96-'00 Yanks. I'm talking about the last handful of years. I've been consistent with that. I didn't like the Abreu trade because they knew Sheffield and Matsui were coming back and Bernie, Damon and Cabrera were holding down the outfield. The trade came to bite them in the playoffs when they had to sacrifice defense, speed and youth to get these big money bats in the line-up. I didn't think the Abreu trade would make them better. That's your reasoning because somehow you have a wierd paranoia and have to think that any critique is grounded in not wanting your team to win or some other personal Yankee hate.
The Mets are NOT operating exactly how the Yanks have. Mike Jacobs is not a top prospect and the Mets gave him up for a bat that provided protection for Beltran and allowed Wright to continue his development. Not to mention, he was pretty damn productive too for the Mets last year and is recovering this year from a wrist surgery that has slowed him. His bat speed still registers at the same speed according to a lot of poeple who've seen him play and practice every day. He was a sound big money investment. He can't be compared to Johnny Damon, Giambi, Randy Johnson, etc. Same goes for Pedro, Beltran and Wagner. Those were wise investments that legitamized the franchise and made them a contender almost over night. Wright and Reyes were young players that were developing and showing signs of all-star capability. They signed long-term them for what was fair market value at the time (which is already a bargain) when they had already produced. Plus, they haven't built their team on bloated contracts. They've picked up excellent cast-offs and quiet signings (Alou, Chavez, Castillo, Perez, Easley, Castro, Heilman, Sosa, El Duque, etc.) that have been instrumental to their success.
That's the same as the Yankees?
The Delgado trade, if it were a Yankee trade, you wouldn't have liked Iz. It reeks of one of the older trades they used to do. Jacobs' last 2 years in the minors (at 23 and 24) were,
.329, 17HR, 81RBI, .372OBP
and then his final year there was: .321, 25, 93RBI, .376OBP.
THAT, coupled with how good he was doing in the Majors when he came up. Much like the way Wright was hitting when he first came up. For a 32 year old from a team that was looking to get rid of his contract. You would have trashed it the same way you trashed the Abreu trade.
As far as the Mets emulating the Yankees, im not the only one who has seen it Iz. Ive also heard this on different broadcasts. Like you with the Delgado, "his bat speed looks good", I have also heard that the Mets are doing it the "Yankee" way too.
So - according to what you're saying, and I am inferring here - if the Yankees would have signed Pedro to the same contract that the Mets did, it would have been bad for baseball and the Yankees would be evil, even though they could have used him. They refused to give him a 5th year on the contract, if they wanted him, they would have gotten him. But the Mets do it, and its a great signing. He legitimized the franchise. A NYC franchise needed him to legitimize them? I know they sucked, but still, it was a 5 year deal that everyone knew he wasnt going to be able to live up to. Just like the Damon signing.
If the Yankees would have signed Alou and kept Green in the starting lineup and they had an outfield prospect like say, Milledge, or Melky, it would have been bad. The Mets do it, and its great?
The Giambi signing has turned out to be bad because of the injuries and his taking of steroids, but the guy was the MVP,in the better league. Do you not remember how good he was? Everyone was saying how this practically insured the Yankees dominance for years to come, while at the same time weakening a big opponent. Here were his stats:
.342, 38HR, 120RBI, .477OBP,(This is a Bondsian stat of his, yes, along with 'roids)
The guy walked 129 times. He was incredible. Good signing? WITHOUT using hindsight? Yes.
Johnson and Abreu were trades. Johnson made at LEAST the same amount of sense as the Pedro signing. They needed a top of the rotation starter and he was that. Abreu, even though you wont admit it, made the Yankees lineup that much better. He was as close - hitting style - to O'Neill they could get and we gave up practically nothing AND they got Corey Lidle who was a serviceable starter. A 4 or 5. Melky, as I told you then, was going to get his at bats because of what he brought to the table AND the ages of the otehr guys in the OF. Hes going to get 500Ab's this year. Meanwhile, Milledge, who SHOULD have started with the big club this year has a chance to barely crack 200 AB's.
The Damon signing was not a good one in the sense that they gave him too many years - a la Pedro - but it wasnt that bad in the sense that they got a legitimate leadoff hitter that they hadnt had in years AND it weakened their main rival. Sure he cant throw for shite, but he can still steal bases when healthy, he has great at bats by making pitchers throw a lot of pitches to him and he gets on base. Hes finally healthy this season and running well again. Sure not nearly as good as Reyes, you cant compare them, but hes stolen 23 bases with an OBP of .347. Not much less than Reyes' .360. He is getting paid 13M, but its not much more than Green's 11.8M.
The average age of their starting 8 - not including pitcher - is 32.3. They are not this young homegrown team. They are a team of dreaded mercenaries. Thats the word that Ernesto used to describe the Yankees.
While the Mets were able to sign Reyes and Wright to their extensions, their extensions only have them signed until they are eligible for free agency, when the real big bucks kick in. And thats what I was talking about with the Yanks when they had to keep Jeter, Posada, Williams, Mariano and Pettite from becoming free agents. Thats when their payroll skyrocketed, after 2000. Those 4 guys accounted for over 45M that year.
The Mussina signing was a really good signing. Theres no debating that he has fallen off considerably this year, but he has been very good for the Yanks for years. Hes now out of the rotation, with two kids as replacements that appear to have a decent future in Hughes and Joba, but only time will tell. The same goes for Sheffield. They signed him to 3 years and 36M. A bargain considering how good a hitter he is. The Tigers just signed him to a 2 year 28M extension because of how good a hitter he is. He was a bargain, relatively speaking.
You're right, Lou. The Yankees have been a model organization for all sports franchises to emulate over the last 5 years.
Very funny, Is. Might as well agree, you can't win.
I guess you guys are right. The Yankees are whats wrong with baseball. Every move trade they do will be bad. But everytime the Mets bring in someone past their prime to take playing time away from a younger player will be great as long as they wear orange and blue. Darn. I just couldn't see the logic with my damned pinstriped sunglasses on. Sorry guys. Many blessings to the Mets so that injuries to 35 plus year olds dont happen "for some reason".
Is, you are a funny dude.
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